Part Two of Plenary Session Meeting

Vladimir Putin: As you know, the phrase "unfriendly countries"has entered our public consciousness. It does not accurately reflect the existing realities or, one might say, does not reflect at all. Because we have unfriendly elites in a certain number of countries, unfriendly rulers.

And the political system, unfortunately, is such in so many countries of the world that it often raises people with a rather low level of education and general culture to the top. They sometimes don't understand what they are saying and doing. The result, as you know, is obvious. Their work is detrimental to their own populations and their own businesses.

In addition, unfortunately – I say this with real regret, because we are interested in our European partners being independent, sovereign and making decisions based on national interests – but unfortunately, this is not quite the case, and often it is not at all the case.

But nevertheless, we live in the conditions in which we are, nothing can be done about it here. Perhaps we should make a move on both sides – we cannot shift all the blame for today's situation only to our partners, although we really want to do this.

I am deeply convinced that we have always been based on our desire to cooperate with everyone while respecting our interests. Unfortunately, we have not seen any respect for our interests over the past decade, but simply a desire to achieve our goals, including to a large extent at our expense.

And the decision that you just mentioned, namely, the decision related to sending dividends to the accounts of" C " – that's what they are called, in my opinion-of foreign companies from those countries that impose certain sanctions against us. I repeat: it is probably incorrect to call them unfriendly countries, because the country consists of a population, of people, and we have a lot of friends in these countries, a lot. You are one of them, and there are so many of them.

But the so-called elites, the governing circles, have a different attitude for various reasons, some of which I have just mentioned. But our decision was dictated by protecting the interests of our economy and our business.

If decisions are made in relation to our business, Russian assets and holdings, including gold and foreign exchange reserves, and certain incorrect and illegal methods are adopted, then this makes it necessary for us to take adequate actions, including those related to the payment of dividends and sending them to accounts " C – - the impossibility of withdrawal send them abroad.

I understand that this limits to a certain extent the opportunities of our conscientious friends and partners who have worked, are working and want to continue working. And I agree with you that we should, of course, somehow adjust our position and should not be like those people who make the wrong decisions on the track of cooperation with Russia to the detriment of their own business.

I know that many people didn't want to leave, didn't want to – they just did it under pressure and regret it, and many are waiting for the moment to return. We know that for a fact. But today we probably need to adjust our position. I'll ask the Government to think about it.

After all, the money can be paid to such companies in the form of dividends, but it is frozen in the "C" accounts and cannot be withdrawn. Perhaps we should think about a more flexible situation in which it would be possible to pay dividends and withdraw part of these dividends – some part. But on the condition that these funds will be used, among other things, and perhaps primarily for the development of business in Russia, related to, say, new technologies, new investments, and so on.

My colleagues are here. Maybe I'll even ask Andrey Ramovich to comment on what I just said. I hope that he at least partially shares the position that I have just formulated.

A. : In fact, of course, there is such a topic.

I would like to draw your attention to the fact that, first of all, these measures were purely mirrored – what Vladimir Vladimirovich just said. Secondly, no one prohibits the payment of dividends – it's just that they are now really accumulated on the "C" accounts.

It is clear that life is diverse and there are quite a lot of cases when dividends need to be withdrawn in order for a company to function in Russia. For this purpose, a special structure has been created, there is a commission headed by Anton Siluanov. It includes representatives of the Administration, the Bank of Russia, and the Ministry of Economic Development, who make such decisions.

What you are talking about is, as I understand it, to establish more clearly the criteria and rules of work, that is, to establish more clearly the rules on which the relevant decisions are made. Perhaps this should be done.

Vladimir Vladimirovich, we will have another meeting with the Government today, and we will have a report, my report, in particular on the development of the financial market. One of the proposals, which is now fully supported by both the Ministry of Finance and the Bank of Russia, is that we have investors and investments that entered Russia after the start of the special operation and after the introduction of sanctions.

For this type of investment, we propose to significantly relax the restrictions that exist today. In other words, people have already entered, already understanding what threatens them, already in the conditions of this hostile situation that has developed, from the so – called – I will say this-unfriendly countries, they have entered here and are working. For them, of course, it would make sense – we are now under strict control, of course, we are administrating, these are all technical issues – for them to relax [restrictions].

Vladimir Putin: See where it pushes you? What did he just say? Re-register, and everything will be fine – as if you've logged in again. Please note: we do not have a good and evil investigator – we all have good ones. (Laughter.)

Alexander Shokhin: Mr President, we have discussed this issue with both Andrey Ramovich and Maxim Stanislavovich Oreshkin, and there was even a suggestion that we should introduce the concept of "a friendly company from an unfriendly country".

Mikhail Valik: That's a great idea.

Vladimir Putin: Practice a little more – we are on the right track, we need to practice.

Alexey Shokhin: In principle, what Andrey Removich said is to introduce more precise regulations, even if they are limited, but understandable for companies and investors.

Vladimir Putin: I agree. But they must, of course, be as transparent as possible – this is an obvious requirement.

Alexander Shokhin: Thank you, Matteo.

Mikhail Valik: Thank you very much.

Alexey Shokhin: Colleagues, Vladimir Vladimirovich usually still has a conversation with the audience, and last time he raised a few people. I see people already willing to perform.

Vladimir Putin: And let's go straight to the sectors.

Alexey Shokhin: No, by sectors-this is when you have a meeting with the press, where Dmitry Sergeyevich Peskov knows by sectors who to give the floor to.

Vladimir Putin: Arbitrariness, this is arbitrariness.

Alexey Shokhin: I just received some requests on my phone. I would like to give the floor to Alexander Firovich Gabitov, head of the Leningrad Regional Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs.

Colleagues, no more than two minutes, because some members of the Government have already said several times: "There will be a meeting with members of the Government."

A. Gabitov: Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, Dear Alexander Nikolaevich, Dear colleagues!

The work of the regional office is always a system of interrelations between the business of the region, the regional government, and the federal system of relations. The subtlety of these relations-the task of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs-is to build them correctly in order to hear both the governor and the government, and, on the other hand, to hear business. Of course, this is not always a big business – it is very often a small business, a micro-business. These relations are being built at our level.

Vladimir Vladimirovich, investment decisions are always very subtle decisions that take into account a large number of different issues and tasks. Often, investment decisions are made not only by incoming investors, but also by current investors of existing enterprises. There are a number of restrictions, in my opinion, quite significant, which, let's say, do not allow new enterprises to actively work in the territory, and for old enterprises they introduce quite significant restrictions, in particular in the field of ecology.

I would like to talk now about a very prosaic thing – about sewage. This is the way our legislation and the system of regulations work, so that waste water-those that enterprises release to the external environment-should be cleaner than drinking water. In fact, it is paradoxical. For some items, the waste water should be 10, 15, 20 times cleaner, and for some – 500 times cleaner than drinking water. What does this lead to? This leads only to one thing-to the fact that enterprises spend huge, sometimes unwise money on organizing cleaning. This does not actually make the external environment cleaner, because the water is mixed with sewage - there is no result.

Vladimir Putin: I'm sorry, I don't understand why they are mixed up with sewage systems.

A. Gabitov: And because the drain goes to the sewer water as well.

Vladimir Putin: So they also need to be cleaned up as well.

A. Gabitov: As a rule, yes, but the waste water of enterprises goes to the general sewer of the water utility, if we talk in detail.

Vladimir Putin: But sewage is also being treated.

A. Gabitov: In different ways.

Mr President, I would like to say this. I want to say that water utilities, of course, have the right to fine, and they fine our enterprises. For example, within the Leningrad region, fines were from 10, 15, 20 million – a total of several hundred million accumulated in the region. We actively discussed this issue with the governor within the headquarters. A number of constructive decisions were made that allowed fines to be converted into investment money for the reconstruction of water supply systems.

But the problem has not been solved in principle at the federal level, that is, all the same, the standards remain quite strict – unreasonably strict. This leads to the fact that, indeed, investors with great difficulty make various decisions on the creation of industrial enterprises.

There are several solutions that we have discussed with our colleagues from different regions. One solution is to lower your wastewater requirements. The second solution is to make it so that the quality of wastewater is equal to the water that is taken up by the enterprise from the external environment. The most reasonable solution: if you took water, return the same water to the external environment.

Mr Putin, we very much hope for a solution to this issue, because it does not concern the Leningrad Region – it concerns all regions and carries a federal agenda.

Thanks.

Vladimir Putin: Alexander Firovich, I understand this is a very important issue for enterprises, businesses, environmental services, and ultimately for citizens. And of course, what you said is reasonable. But I wouldn't give any directives right now. Everything is in the details, as usual, and you need to look at it carefully: what are these requirements related to, and are they really excessive? I need to see it.

I am, of course, in favor of making the business feel more comfortable and not incur additional, unjustified costs. Let me instruct you. I cannot now publicly say to you: "Yes, I am in favor of immediately lowering the requirements for these waters that you throw out." The next day, environmentalists will be waiting for me around the corner with a bag – it's better not to mess with them, you need to behave very carefully.

But it's not even about environmental organizations and their reaction to our dialogue with you – it's in the interests of the citizens of the Russian Federation. We have a lot of polluted territories, we still have a lot of emissions - and not only in the 12 largest issuing cities, but also in other territories. I recently visited Ulan-Ude, where people also raise these issues. Full of such problems.

Therefore, before you reduce something, change the norms, and so on, you need to analyze all this. Although there is certainly logic in what you say. Let's take a look. I will definitely ask the Government to do this.

Alexander Gabitov: Thank you.

Alexander Shokhin: Alexander Firovich, according to the requirements of Rosprirodnadzor and Rospotrebnadzor, our wastewater is the same as for aquaculture, aquarium fish, and aquaculture breeding. Golden fish should be bred in wastewater.

Vladimir Putin:I see.

We'll definitely take a look. I promise you, I will definitely talk to my colleagues who are involved in this, including the relevant Deputy Prime Minister, who is well known to you.

Alexander Gabitov: Mr President, I don't want to end my speech in the waste water. Indeed, today our branches in all regions are very active, strong and powerful in working with enterprises. Businesses are very active in responding to our work and interaction with the authorities, and this is a very important lever of interaction.

We see only one thing: when an enterprise is a member of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, we have leverage over it, and we have something to talk about. The head of our trade unions, Mikhail Viktorovich [Shmakov], spoke about this today. If an enterprise is a member of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, it works, it interacts, it provides assistance, it hears us and probably hears the authorities somewhere.

Therefore, I would like to support Mikhail Viktorovich's proposal – any enterprises that exist in our country should be members of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs.

Thanks.

Vladimir Putin: Remember the wonderful slogan: "Beer is only for trade union members." We need to be very careful about this-about the obligation to participate in any organizations.

I know that in some countries, in the same Federal Republic [Germany], membership in certain organizations is mandatory. We took a different path, but we have a more democratic country, you know? Therefore, we have other principles of work.

Although I agree with you. But here you can go two ways: the first is to oblige and force, issuing the appropriate law, or to interest – this is more subtle work, but its results depend on you.

Alexander Shokhin: Mr President, I am very glad that we are concluding our discussion not on waste water, but on compulsory membership in employers ' associations.

Vladimir Putin: I understand perfectly. A colleague raised an important question.

A. Shokhin: Important.

Vladimir Putin: It is also very important for business, and it is a complex issue. By the way, I know that your colleagues, including members of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, are very active in these 12 cities where the situation is most difficult.

Take a look at what is being done in the steel industry in some cities. Billions, tens of billions, have been invested by people to radically change the situation – and it is changing. In Magnitogorsk, look: Viktor Filippovich [Rashnikov] - well done, how much money he invested.

This is not all, of course: you need to do more and more, but the money is invested, do not be greedy and work within the existing regulatory framework. I hope that we will continue to do so.

Alexander Shokhin: Thank you.

The topic of ecology is really one of the priorities for us, and participation in the Clean Air project…

Vladimir Putin: Alexander Nikolaevich, for God's sake, please don't be angry with me. There, a colleague raises his hand so actively – let's give the floor.

Alexander Shokhin: Let's give it to you.

Vladimir Putin: Please.

He picks it up, they put him in immediately – and that's it. Where are we located? (Laughter.)

A. Shokhin: We haven't jailed any members of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs yet.

Vladimir Putin: Thank God!

Alexey Shokhin: Then let's discuss the use of force to put pressure on businesses.

Vladimir Putin: Come on.

Igor Meshkov: Mr President, may I ask your permission?

Vladimir Putin: Please. Give me a microphone.

I. Meshkov: They "suffocate" me.

Vladimir Putin: They're choking you, I can see that. Only the administrative authorities, loosening their iron grip, will allow the business to develop actively, progressively, with the brilliant result that you want to achieve.

Of course, we will work together and fight this bureaucracy.

K. Major: Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, Alexander Nikolaevich! Colleagues, delegates!

I welcome you.

As a representative of the media industry, I am very actively involved in the Russian business environment. We are even developing new technologies in the advertising industry, by the way, thanks to which we just recently made a live broadcast in all cities with millions of people and in Moscow on large screens for residents of the country-your broadcast.

I would like to draw your attention to import substitution in advertising technologies, in those technologies that left the country last year. For our part, we and our development team are ready to go in this direction, develop and, thanks to the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, develop this direction, support it and do not stand still. We have great opportunities for this.

We hope that Alexander Nikolaevich will also support us, and we will create new technologies that will make us even more advanced and modern, and there will be more new opportunities in the media.

Vladimir Putin: What should I do?

A. Shokhin: Import substitution of advertising companies.

Vladimir Putin: What do you need?

K. Major: We are now talking about the technologies that we are developing. We will present to Alexander Nikolaevich the project that we are currently preparing.

Alexander Shokhin: Can't you put this project on the screen? No?

Konstantin Major: We are actually making a live broadcast of our congress right now. We have new technologies that we want to present to you and Alexander Nikolaevich, so that you can approve, view and evaluate them.

Vladimir Putin: To be honest, I didn't understand what you were talking about. I remember such a nursery rhyme: "I'm a chorus girl, I dance and sing. I don't know Lenin, but I love him." I do not know what you are talking about, but I support it.

K. Major: I will clarify: I am talking about advertising technologies that allow us to become a new type of media for those entrepreneurs who are actively developing their business in Russia.

Vladimir Putin: Of course.

Alexander Shokhin: Mr Putin, Konstantin Major is the founder and owner of the MAER Group, which is also involved in outdoor advertising. By the way, it actively cooperates with the Presidential Administration. Your Message was broadcast on the external screens of dozens of Russian cities. And our slogans, which are on the running line, were also highlighted in these dozens of cities as the goals of the RSPP's activities. Everyone now knows what the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs is, and therefore the proposal for everyone to join has already been made.…

Vladimir Putin:I see. The trick, you see, is that a line runs there, but nothing runs here.

Alexander Shokhin: I don't understand why this screen was put up for you if nothing runs here.

Vladimir Putin: Nothing is running, I can't see anything.

Alexander Shokhin: Konstantin Valeryevich, were you responsible for this screen?

K. Major: No, I didn't answer.

Vladimir Putin: We will definitely watch it with Alexander Nikolaevich.

Of course, we really want everything that you have said to develop on a national basis, and, of course, we will do everything to support you. I'm not kidding, of course.

Still, please give your colleague a microphone. I understand that you are about to "light up", but keep in mind that we are together, we are our own.

Igor Meshkov: Mr President, thank you very much for giving us the floor.

This is my first time at the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs.

Vladimir Putin: This is what confuses Alexander Nikolaevich, and he is afraid of it. I know there have already been such precedents.

Igor Meshkov: Mr President, you said at the beginning of your speech: in a family way, in a kind way.

I have two questions. I have been working at Uralvagonzavod since 2014, and I have passed all the stages.

First question. I would like to sincerely praise Denis Valentinovich Manturov. I'll explain why. There are no stories here. We last flew to the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant…

Vladimir Putin: I don't understand why you didn't want to give him the floor.

Alexander Shokhin: Because I was afraid that this was a planned performance.

Igor Meshkov: Mr President, we have been living our lives together objectively since 1999. You have always taught us to speak only the truth – we speak the truth.

Denis Valentinovich flew in at night to the Chelyabinsk tractor Plant, we worked there half the night, all day. And the question is very simple: there are not enough workers, not enough young people, not enough people at the machines. But this global issue can be solved much easier.

I also want to solve my own problem – some are more lucky, some have sons, and I have two daughters. I'm worried…

Vladimir Putin: Take back your words immediately!

I. Meshkov: I'll take it.

Vladimir Putin: They won't let you go home again. What did you say?" "Someone is more fortunate..."

I also have children.

Igor Meshkov: Mr President, I don't know what kind of sons – in-law there will be, but I want to give my daughters an education. But if we now somehow-you teach us yourself – try to work out the issue of canceling the Unified State Exam, for a long time somehow, it will remove many problems right away.

Vladimir Putin: Why do you think so?

Igor Meshkov: You know, most of them now, according to statistics – I'm not a big expert, but I read…

Vladimir Putin: But having your own opinion is good.

Igor Meshkov: Mr Putin, I read the Internet: everyone is afraid of physics and mathematics, and everyone goes to take social studies and other things. There are not enough engineers, there are not enough physicists – this is objective, Mr Putin.

Let's do it, if we have the opportunity, we'll work it out.…

Not everyone has enough tyama. Someone in life is more lucky.

I can't speak beautifully – as I can, so I don't have to.…

Vladimir Putin: Just a second, let's do it without any laughter, in a serious way. What do you suggest?

I. Meshkov: Cancel the Unified State Exam. Let's work on the issue, Mr Putin.

Vladimir Putin: Take it seriously. what is your name?

I. Meshkov: Igor.

Vladimir Vladimirovich, I will have a second short [question] there.

Vladimir Putin: All right, all right.

Look, Igor, seriously. You said that everyone doesn't like math and physics. That's not so. A lot of people love physics, mathematics, chemistry, and the exact sciences in general, and just live by it. And you and I, at least with those who are present here, need even more of our children and teenagers, young people, to fall in love with exact sciences. Because from those who love exact sciences, who are engaged in physics and mathematics, real engineers grow up, after all. You, we, and the country need them.

So I'm just protesting that you said that many people, or mostly, don't like math and physics. Many people love and want to love. We need to engage people, especially young people,to make it interesting, promising, and entertaining. It is absolutely possible to do this, because we have a great math school, the best math school in the world.

But this does not mean that the humanities should take a back seat.

By the way, many girls also love exact sciences.

Alexander Shokhin: I confirm it. My granddaughter Masha went to an engineering class.

Vladimir Putin: Here. We wish Masha every success. I am sure that she will have a good future, and not only because she has such a grandfather, but because she loves exact sciences, is engaged in engineering and wants to do it, and this is the future.

Indeed, a lot of girls go to the humanities: history, social studies, law, which I myself love. The doors should be open for everyone, and for girls too, in all areas of development.

If you think that the complete abolition of the Unified State Exam will contribute to this, I think this is still a controversial point of view, believe me. The Unified State Exam has many disadvantages. I know that many of our citizens are outraged by the fraud that takes place in this system – it is true, it exists. But, on the other hand, this opens up opportunities for many children from the periphery of the educational centers that exist, because, for example, in some cities secondary and higher education is developing, but not in the same way as in traditional educational centers in our large million-plus cities. For them-children from the periphery-there are opportunities to study in the leading higher schools of the country with the help of the Unified State Exam. Believe me, this is a statistic: the number of talented children from the periphery who enter the country's prestigious higher education institutions has increased many times compared to what it was before the Unified State Exam.

But there are some disadvantages in the Unified State Exam system-you are certainly right here. The Ministry of Science and Higher Education, the Ministry of Education, together with the public, together with the rectors of higher educational institutions, think about how to improve this system, and improve it. For example, leading universities not only take applicants through the Unified State Exam, but also through competitions and Olympiads. There are other mechanisms that improve this system.

But you're probably right that we need to keep improving it.

How old are your girls?"

I. Meshkov: Eleven and two and a half.

Vladimir Putin: And with the one that is two and a half, we need to deal with today in order to interest her in the numbers and what comes out of it. They'll thank you, your girls.

Igor Meshkov: Mr President, you have taught us a long lesson – and I think about it for a long time.

Vladimir Putin:Well, thank you.

Igor Meshkov: The second small question.

Alexander Shokhin: Have a good conscience, there is still a right sector.

Vladimir Putin: The Right Sector is not here. (Laughter.)

Igor Meshkov: Mr President, there is a Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works. Here sits the General director, Pavel Shilyaev. He just told me that he has been the General director of Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works since 2014. He doesn't have a single state award.

A. Shokhin: But Viktor Filippovich Rashnikov is a Hero of labor.

Vladimir Putin: Yes. Let Viktor Filippovich share a little of his fame with the General Director, thanks to whom Magnitka is largely achieving such results.

Jokes are jokes, and you're right. I apologize to those people whom the administrative structures do not notice. This is an oversight, and a serious one, no kidding.

Thank you very much for the results of your work.

Alexander Shokhin: Mr President, as I understand it, that sector does not have the opportunity to perform because their associations are bad.

Vladimir Putin: No, please. Please give a microphone to your colleagues on this side.

Alexander Shokhin: While my colleagues are thinking, I would like to give the floor to Maxim Lvovich Shikhalov, head of the Saratov regional organization.

And, Mr Putin, we will probably end this conversation, despite your willingness to communicate with us for a long time.

Vladimir Putin: I agree.

Mikhail Shikhalov: Good afternoon!

Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, I would like to ask a question and address you.

The issue of technological development of Russia until 2030 has been discussed for quite a long time and very regularly, as it was discussed at the RSPP site and together with Andrey Ramovich [Belousov]. This issue has been worked out and affects many of our high-tech industries in the future, for the next years.

But in the current situation, for me as the head of the enterprise, there are quite serious points, first of all, that there are developments, research and production enterprises, that is, I have one-third of my employees – designers, developers, system technicians. There are some developments that are just applied, I don't mean for civilian needs, but for our needs. There are these developments, developments, and an understanding of how to implement them, but the following situation turns out – that we currently, at the moment, do not have that transition moment and do not have that transition stage in order to provide at the present moment with components and raw materials that we can…

There is no comprehensive understanding of what each enterprise has, and there is no uniform regulation. And we need to do this this year, because we have a power reserve at our enterprises, of course, we will continue to fulfill the tasks set, but at the moment we need to adopt transition programs-today, now, during this year-before our concept of technological development is fully operational, until all the support measures are fully operational, and until the financial components are fully operational. Right now, because the power reserve is actually very small.

I would like to ask you: how do you feel about this? And maybe we need to work on these transition programs specifically for 2023, maybe until the second quarter of 2024, so that they reach us, the heads of enterprises, so that we can hold out until our concept for technological development starts working?

Vladimir Putin: I could have tried to answer right away, but you mentioned Andrey Ramovich. As a former employee of the State Planning Committee of the USSR, he is a great expert in these matters. I'll ask him to decipher what you said. Let's start with that.

Alexander Belousov: Mr President, I have never been an employee of the State Planning Committee, but I was close, very close. So, of course, I'll try to decipher it.

Vladimir Putin: What's wrong with that? What do you refuse?

Alexander Shokhin: Mr President, I was an employee of the Gosplan Institute, but that's why I don't see anything wrong.

A. Belousov: I want to say that we are probably talking about the fact that, indeed, we now have an urgent need for a wide range of import substitution of very specific components. Such a system was deployed, and it was actually deployed even before the sanctions began.

How does it work? I don't think I'll tell you any big secrets here. The Ministry of Industry and Trade has a list of components that need to be localized. This list, of course, is made on the basis of requests from enterprises, there are about 400 of them-the nomenclature. Further down the list, the Ministry of Industry and Trade either looks directly for manufacturers and developers, or with the help of the Agency for Technological Development selects those who could do this in the future with the help of so-called reverse engineering and other technologies.

A network of special organizations has been created that are engaged in scientific and project preparation of such works. Then the manufacturers are selected, they actually do all this. The above – mentioned Industrial Development Fund finances this entire program – and this is its main function. This is its main mission, its main task.

There are probably some niches and shortcomings there – as always, everything needs to be improved, but such a system exists. I just suggest that a colleague contact the Ministry of Industry and Trade directly. You can do this through me, or directly through Vasily Sergeevich Osmakov, who deals with this in detail (First Deputy Minister, Denis Valentinovich).

I think that these issues will be resolved, but we need to go with a specific nomenclature.

Vladimir Putin: That's what you meant, isn't it?

Mikhail Shikhalov: It is clear that this work is underway, and import substitution of components is underway.

I'm talking a little bit about something else – about the fact that at this stage we have our own developments, we are ready to implement them. Namely, due to the fact that, for example, now these support measures will not work yet this year…

Vladimir Putin: We must earn money. The technological platforms that I mentioned and Denis Manturov talked about are aimed precisely at this.

Mikhail Shikhalov: Great! If they work, then it will be a good support for us.

Vladimir Putin: You are absolutely right. These are exactly the problems that our detractors, as military people say, opponents, want us to create in the medium term. We need to do everything possible to make everything good for us and sad for them. Therefore, work together with Denis Valentinovich.

That is, if colleagues have developments in the field of import substitution, we should not only talk about reverse engineering and where to look at something there, but first of all, of course, we should talk about replacing it with our own developments. You are absolutely right. This is the mainstream, the main direction of our work.

Mikhail Shikhalov: Thank you.

Vladimir Putin: Thank you.

Alexander Shokhin: Mr President, we need to complete this part of our work.

I have already said in my opening remarks that I hope we will have many opportunities to discuss other issues that were not raised at today's public meeting. The continuation of the conversation is expressed in the fact that we will not only raise questions, I mean business, but also offer concrete solutions.

You have seen from the speeches and comments of the ministers that we have made progress on many issues, we are not on opposite sides of the barrier, but we are really working out solutions to ensure that in the current difficult conditions we can not only preserve the potential of our companies, but also ensure development and technological development. Everything that hinders this development, we will remove barriers, and create incentives.

Vladimir Putin:Well, thank you.

Thank you very much to Alexander Nikolaevich and all our colleagues who took part in our event today. But most importantly, thank you very much for the results of your work.

When I was recently at the helicopter plant, I said that one of the most significant results of last year was the result of the work of our economy and the real sector, and this, of course, is your work.

Thank you very much.